Thursday, October 31, 2013

The Sin and the Punishment

In last night's reading we encounter two circles, one for Avarice
and the other for wrath.  Describe the punishment for each and
explain the contrapasso.  Use at least one quote for each circle to
illustrate what you are saying.

10 comments:

  1. The souls who are suffering in the forth circle are the souls who have committed Avarice, or greed. No matter if the people were spenders or hoarders, does not matter which of the two they committed the punishment is the same. The punishment for these people is that they have to carry rocks and smash them together into each other. They are also covered in slime because they are such slippery people. No one could get a grip on that way they would spend their money in the past life. They are smashing the rocks against each other because they would do anything to get what they wanted and if other people got in the way it would infuriate them. When they were in the real world they would smash anyone out of their way to get an item or to get the money to keep for themselves. “ Not with sticky hands alone they hit each other, but with heads, chests, feet, and teeth. They bit each other to the bone”(L:114-116). This describes perfectly how most of them acted in the real world, because they would do anything to get the latest “thing” that they wanted.

    In the fifth circle of hell there are two types of sinners. They both run on the same sin except one (wrath) expresses their anger and sullen is repressed anger. The sinners who are convicted of wrath fight one another at the surface of the styx river. This fits the punishment because they are all violent people so they are raging toward each other. The punishment for the sullen’s is they are at the bottom of the river drowning. This fits beautifully because they keep all of their anger bottled in and they metaphorically drowned in their emotions. Both of these people are guilty of having rage, the only difference is the ones who committed wrath show their emotions out loud.

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  2. Jack Carroll

    Avarice and Wrath
    In Canto’s seven and eight, the sins of Avarice and Wrath are highlighted with punishments that are made fittingly to the actions that drove these people into the fourth and fifth circles of hell respectively. In regards to the sin of Avarice, or greed, there are two different variations of greed. There were those who spent profusely and often, but there was also those who hoarded money because they enjoyed being able to feel like they had more money than they truly had. Regardless, the punishment for the spenders and hoarders was the same, as they both failed to use money in a proper way. The punishment was to push large rocks against each other as they were naked and covered in slime, while the two different sinners were placed on opposite sides of the rock forced to offset each other’s actions on the boulder. The slime is used in a way as to not let the sinner get a grip on the rock to push it against the other sinner, which is extremely fitting to the way they worked in life. The slime forces them to act in the same way the spenders and hoarders acted with money in their life time, which is without a grip and with irritation as they felt they couldn’t get enough money. “As these slime-covered naked people shook with anger.” (Canto 7 113-114) By placing the two different sinners on opposite sides it is to show that their actions offset each other, as the hoarders were continuously taking in the money the spenders were always spending, and in the end they both got nowhere with their actions.
    The wrathful are located in circle five of hell, one group on the muddy bank of the river Styx and the other plunged in the black tar river. The group that is on the buddy bank of the Styx are the wrathful sinners that always exerted their anger in a way to seek revenge or just in a way that was not controlling. By being placed in the muddy banks of the river, these sinners are constantly trying to take action and get themselves out of the mud. However, they will only find themselves stuck in mud just like when their vengeful actions found them back in the same place that they started. For the other wrathful sinners who were depressed and held their emotions in, they are submerged the Tar River, forever stuck in that place. This is a fitting punishment because they never took action and held everything inside themselves, not using the divine rights God granted them at birth.

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  3. In the 4th and 5th circles of hell, Dante introduces us to the punishments reserved for those guilty of the sins of greed and wrath. Within greed, Dante shows us that the sin of obsession is split into two opposing factions: those who spent money too readily (prodigality) and those who hoarded their wealth (avarice.) Both of these sins are considered equal and opposing sides of the sin of greed, and the souls convicted of both form two factions doomed to battle each other ad infinitum. They rush each other, rolling massive stones in an attempt to crush members of the other side. They then return to the edges of the ring and do it again. The rocks that these two groups exchange could be seen as an allegory for accumulated wealth, shared destructively between these souls in an endless cycle. They are all unrecognizable, a punishment for their narrow-mindedness that Virgil describes by saying: “in life for their dim sight they were disgraced: here they are dimly seen.” (Inf. 7.47-48) One circle lower, in the realm reserved for wrath, two more categories of sinners reside. The first, the angry, were souls that projected wrath on to others, making a life of killing, maiming, torturing, and inflicting other miseries on fellow human beings. These poor shades meet in eternal brutal conflict, inflicting pain in a frenzy on one another “not with sticky hands alone…but with heads, chests, feet, and teeth. They bit each other to the bone.” (Inf. 7.114-116) The shades of such violent people are doomed to inflict misery and have misery inflicted on them for the rest of days. The second group is the sullen, those who turned their anger inwards and lived life with a deep hatred for mankind and the world. They are condemned to wallow in the infamous river Styx, a slow churning mass of sticky, miserable mud. These souls are mired in the river that serves so fittingly as an allegory for their debilitating hatred of the world.

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  4. The two cantos we read were on Circles 4 and 5 of hell, which contain the damned that are guilty of Avarice and Wrath. Dante and Virgil come to the damned and see the people of Avarice pushing huge boulders around and constantly crashing into each other, then pushing them the other way, only to do the exact same thing. While the Wrathful are dealing with two different forms of the same sin, the depressed are forced to stay beneath the surface of the River Styx, and the angry are constantly fighting each other. Dante, however, doesn’t feel the amount of sorrow as he did with the other circles, whether this is due to the fact that he is becoming hardened to the trip through hell and has accepted it, or because he does not feel he is guilty of these sins himself. The first group he encounters is the Avarice.
    The Avarice can be divided into two groups, the Spenders and the Hoarders, two different sins that are based around the same thing, money. These people were obsessed with money while they were alive, as Method Man said in his time with Wu-Tang, “cash rules everything around me- get the money, dolla’ dolla’ bill y’all.” These people are forced to go through the same punishment because they committed two versions of the same sin, greed. They are forced to roll giant boulders, crashing into each other over and over again. They are put together in this because they cannot stand one another, they are polar opposites. “Together, whereupon they turn about and shriek ‘Why pile it up?’ and ‘Why waste cash’” (Line 27-28, Dante) The fact that when they pile the boulders and release them, it is the opposite of what the others want, they hate the ideas of the other group. And the boulders represent their obsession, they wanted everything, and now they are forced to deal with everything. The next group of sinners Dante sees is the Wrathful.
    The Wrathful, however, are punished two different ways, because they are guilty of two different sins with the same theme, anger. The angry always show their anger to the world, so they are forced to be in constant combat with each other. While they were alive, they would never hide their anger from the world, so when they came to hell, they weren’t allowed to, therefore fighting with one another, But the depressed always held their anger in, so they are submerged in the slimy mud of the Styx, forever forced to hold their breathe, as they did their anger. “Son, here you meet the souls of those who gave way to their rage. But know, too, there are those who lurk beneath the surface- from the bubbles you can gauge their numbers- who could let no anger flow.” (117, Dante)

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  5. Avarice is the fourth level of hell. There are two types of sinners in this level of hell the first group are those who amassed their possessions and the second group consists of those who spent what they had in a extravagant manner although they behaved in different manners both groups had no “moderation” in their lives. The punishment they have to endure under the supervision of Pluto is that they have to push/use heavyweight with their chests and use them as weapons against each other. They do so in order to pay the cost of their selfish drive for fortune during their lifetime. This contrapasso could be interpreted through the imagery of a balance because unlike a balance the two parties in this level of hell had no equilibrium in their life; thus the weights on either side of the balance could be represented as the heavy objects the sinners have to use against each other. The sinners had no stable point in their lives, which could mimic the tilting of the balance on either side as the sinners are using heavy weights against each other.

    Anger is the fifth level of hell. The sinners in this level of hell are the sullen and the wrathful. The sullen lie beneath the river as they choke on mud with ought ever being able to reach the surface. The mud represents how the sinners are literally stuck in one spot and are unable to reach their goal, the surface. This is done because due to their lack of appreciation of god’s creation the sullen have never seen/reached for a goal. The wrathful are those who have always resented an extreme anger; their punishment is to “fight each other” in a struggle to stay/reach the surface of the river. Instead of helping each other their eternal wrath causes them to fight each other in order to stay on top.

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  6. Alex Dolente
    Dr. Carrie, Modern Myth
    October 31, 2013

    The Sin and Punishment
    In the last night’s reading we came across two circles, Avarice and Wrath. Avarice meaning is to have extreme greed for wealth or material gain. Wrath means extreme anger (chiefly used for humorous or rhetorical effect).
    There are two types of groups in Avarice, there are the spenders and there are the hoarders. The two groups have the same punishment in hell, they have to push giant rocks up to the middle of the circle and have them roll back down on the opposite side which they brought them up as plutus, a greek god, watches over them. “Dante for the first time applies the classical principle of moderation to criticize excessive desire for a neutral object in both one direction”. “Those money-grubbing ones who from the grave arise with grasping fists and foolproof schemes”. This quote shows how Dante really felt about these sinners and the way he describes them. This punishment is an antithetical one because those sinners are doing the opposite of which they did in their life.
    As well as Avarice there are two types of groups in the 5th circle pointed towards wrath, there is the angry and the sullen (depressed). The punishment for both is not the same. In the swampy water of the river Styx holds the sinners, the angry are constantly fighting on the surface of the waters. And the Sullen lie murmur beneath the water. As Dante and Virgil are transported across the water by Phlegyas, they see Argenti, a black guelph from a prominent family, who is torn apart by all the wrathful sinners. The Wrathful outwardly re-enact their rage visible above the swampy waters. The sullen however are bottled up beneath the water.

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  7. In the reading we read yesterday it discusses how Avarice is the root of all evils in biblical saying and Dante feels he is to blame of all the political corruption in his society. Avarice is also seen in the fourth circle of hell, and Dante and Virgil as they were in the circle came into conclusion that Avaricious and Prodigal share one essential characteristic, “they were not prudent with goods of fortune”. It is in the fourth circle that Dante realizes that how sins of avarice can deter an individual from the path of enlightenment and lead to the corruption of ethics and politics. As soon as Dante and Virgil encounter the beast plutus, they become aware that the Roman Catholic Church, including the pope are extremely corrupt as the beast screams “Papa Satan” which translates to the word pope. As they descend into the circle Dante and Virgil see a whirlpool, which explains that the sins of whirlpool will suck you into an evil spell. Those guilty of Wrath and sullenness spend eternity suffering for their sins in the fifth level of hell. The sullen ones get stuck under the muddy waters. Those guilty of wrath and sullenness spend eternity suffering for their sins in the fifth level of hell. The angry ones tend to eternally fight each other on the surface of the river Styx. The punishment of sullen he is unable to see the outside world with their eyes

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  8. In the canto 7, descrbes circle 4. Sin in the circle is avarice and it is devided in two groups Spenders and Hoarders. Biblia says that avarice is ''root of all evil''- Hoarders . Sin is definded like a spending without measure- Spenders. Their punishment is to clash boulders against each other with their chests shouting to each other, boulders represent money and it is weight on their lives. ''From either side damned souls let out a shout
    And roll weght with their chests until they crash Together, whereupon they turn about
    And shriek ''Why pile it up?'' and ''Why waste cash?''
    This contrapaso perfectly fit for them because eveything in their life is money and their theory to spent money without measure or to keep money is of vital importance.
    Fighting with each others and arguing ''why pile it up?'' or ''why waste cash?'' FOREVER!
    Plutus is guardian of 4th circle, because in mitolgy he is defined as God of wealth, and also God of unerground. Plutus has human and bestial natures, both together.
    In canto 8 sin is wrath what describes cirkle 5. Siners are divided in two groups Angry and Sullen and they have differen punishment.
    For anger that is expressed the wrathful ruthlessly attacking one another what is same way like they lived their life, their punishment is to fight forever and lose every time.
    Sullen, andger that isn't expressed punishment is to do nothing and lie, they are stewing beneath the mud, doing nothing just as on earth.
    ''Before we reach the other shore, tour wish
    Will be fulfilled'' and soon, as if they fed
    A hunger, we saw men like muddy fish
    Surround him, and I thanked God as they cried
    ''So, Filippo Argenti! Not so great!''
    While even he sank teeth in his own hide,
    That tortured Florentine.''
    In this lines Dante enjoys watching his political enemy Filippo Argenti who slaped Dante's face once and whose brother banished from Florence to tear him to pieces.

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  9. The circles of hell are very dark and questionable places. The two groups which Dante encounters in last night reading are Avarice and Wrath. These two layers of hell both hold two groups of sinners. Avarice holds the spenders and hoarders, while Wrath holds the angry and sullen, or depressed. All sins are punished, and no matter what, there will be a punishment. For those who are not put in hell, are tortured with the curiosity of what happens in hell, of what goes on. These layers of hell are two examples of punishments inflicted on what seem like small sins. Many could argue that spending is not a sin. However, can also be seen as a form of greed. Spenders are constantly dissatisfied and have a constant thirst for more, for something new. Dante’s guide through the layers of hell, Virgil states; “One and all were clerics who, Head sticking through their hair, were ruled by greed.” Each spender is punished with exactly what they wanted, more. Not more of what they want however, they are given more pain, eternal pain. These sinners are in a shared room with the hoarders. Each one of them is given a boulder to push, to crush into one another, to inflict eternal pain. The goal for these sinners is to push their rock to the opposite side of the circular room while being crushed. Once their goal is reached, they repeat the process. They keep taking pain and keep giving pain. These sinners are blessed with the opportunity to never have to stop, much like they never stopped spending while they were alive. Hoarders, the other sinners in this level of hell with the spenders have the same punishment. Hoarding can be seen as a disorder now days. It has to do with letting go, with not being able to let go of anything. To have the constant need for something that seems important, or to feel life would be unbearable without this object, or even person.

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  10. A constant problem for a hoarder is piling up junk, useless objects that are not necessary. While observing these sinners crush one another with rocks, the hoarders scream out; “Why pile it up?” There is no answer to this question. The hoarders simply do it, it seems to be needed in order to survive. Hoarders are constantly taunted in this layer of hell. Yes, they do have the same punishment, yet they have nothing to pile up other than their boulders, other than themselves while crying with agony. As the rocks pile on top of the sinners they are crushed and layered, yet it always comes undone. The pile is lost, the need for more is let go, for there is too little to pile up, to hoard. As the two travel down into the next level of hell, the level of Wrath, they can hear the screams, the hurt, the tears, and even the anger in the sinners they are yet to see. This level of hell contains the sinning of anger, and sullen, or depression. Anger, being the first sin, is held in all humans. Anger can not be controlled, but it can be hidden and bundled up. Most of the time anger is displayed through physical contact, not words. Dante states; “Not with sticky hands alone They hit each other, but with heads, chests, feet, and teeth. They bit each other to the bone.” Dante is seeing the sinners of anger use it. They are hurting one another as their sin, because with anger in reality, people do not hurt themselves, but their peers, those who care about them. None of these people are lacking rage, none of them are alone. They all have “sticky” hands, or in Dante’s eyes, guilty hands. Every one of them is guilty of anger, of wrath. The sullen or depressed are also held on this layer of hell. Yet, they are harder to spot. These sinners are held below the surface, under the sticky mud, unable to move. These are the sinners who Dante’s hears them croak through the mud; “In that sweet world the sun made glad, our hearts were stopped with a slow, smoking flood. In these dank depths we work at being sad.” These sinners are stuck, they are sad and are constantly in the same place, much like people inflicted with depression on earth. These sinners are not given the ability to move or feel any sort of happiness because of their inability to feel it while living. These people gave up on the thought of life, the thought of happiness, and in return it was stolen from them in hell as well.

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